Category: "Debunking"

The Earth is older than 6000 years

Woolly Mammoth

Hi, I'm a woolly mammoth. Me and my kind were mooping around on Earth for about 1.5 million years, my ancestors originally came from Africa but over 6 million years or so we spread out quite a bit. It was pretty cold up north and the poor mammoths that weren't as woolly died out and soon we were all woolly. We died out completely around 10000 years ago, we know this because you guys haven't found any of my kind younger than that.

The creationists claim I died out in a giant flood which wiped the Earth clean of all life (apart from what Noah could fit on his boat). These guys claim I was around for about 2000 years, after some guy created the Earth 6000 years ago.

So when did I really live?

Well according to my digital watch synced with the atomic clocks in Germany I was born on the 17th of October 36000 years ago. Oh dear, for that time I must have been floating around in nothing, because apparently there wasn't an Earth or anything else. Well I can tell you first hand that was pretty wrong, I was definitely mooping around somewhere above the frozen North Sea 36000 years ago (we had GPS too).

We know I'm telling the truth (well I might be exaggerating a little bit about the digital watches and GPS) because you can date me from my carbon-14 atoms.

Normally all life on Earth is made up of carbon-12 and carbon-13. But a certain percent is carbon-14, this percentage is the same in all life on Earth. It happens like this:

Cosmic rays are constantly hitting the Earth from space. In fact every day a person is hit about 8000 times a minute by cosmic rays as you can tell they usually don't do a lot. But sometimes a cosmic ray neutron will hit an atom of nitrogen in the atmosphere, actually a nitrogen-14 atom (7 protons, 7 neutrons). As the neutron smashes into the atom it knocks a proton away (a hydrogen atom) and adds itself to what was the nitrogen-14 atom, this is an atom with 6 protons and 8 neutrons - which is a carbon-14 atom.

Through photosynthesis plants suck up CO2, which includes carbon-14 atoms. This is how these atoms find their way into all life on Earth. A certain percent of the plant will be made from carbon-14 atoms, if an animal eats the plant a certain percent of his body will also be made from carbon-14 and if somebody else eats him he'll have that percentage of carbon-14. These carbon-14 atoms make up 0.0000000001% of all carbon on Earth.

The cool thing about carbon-14 though is it's unstable, it's radioactive. It has a half-life of about 5730 years. So if we've got some carbon-14 atoms, within 5730 years half of them would of decayed through the process called radioactive decay they'll turn back into a nitrogen-14 atoms, we can use these atoms to date things to about 60000 years - the amount of time it takes for most of the atoms to decay completely. That's how we work it out, we work out the number and type of atoms I'm made out of.

This is how scientists can work out roughly how old I am, it's called radiocarbon dating, it's not accurate enough to days, or even years, but it's accurate to within a few hundred years. So they can work out and tell that I'm not lying when I say I'm 36000 years old.

So why do you creationists call me a liar?

Baby woolley mammoth

Creationist anti-science

The Daily Creationism:

Q: Why do creationists fight against science?

A: That question has me confused.

It wouldn't be the first time.

Most major branches of science were started by creationists.

Care to back that up with evidence? 2 million years ago on the planes of Africa. A child looked up at the sky. What would of been his or her thought when looking upon a star....? What is that? Or that was made by god. The question comes before the answer, you must ask the question before you can answer it. The start of science is the wonder at what is.

Creationism is only a flawed answer, Christian creationism which is what you seem to support, probably the most flawed. At least Hinduism has some basics almost right, death and rebirth everything is in a vast cycle, their dates are more accurate too, claiming the present cycle of the universe to be 8 billion years or so. Not bad for a number pulled out of a hat by some priest, a lot better than that 6000 years, pulled out of a hat by a much more unlucky priest.

I can understand how such ideas come about, for hundreds of thousands of years our species had to work all the time to make enough food to survive, production wasn't high enough for a parasite class to emerge - a parasite class that had the time to dabble in thought. The only thought people had the time for was that a giant man moved the Sun across the sky - they had not the time nor the production or technology needed to understand.

And so began the birth of gods - but these are not your god of today. There were many gods, a god who moved the Sun, a god who moved the Moon, a god who showered the land in rain and so on.

With the increase of production and the formation of class society, came a class of people with the time to spend on thought and reason. They developed reading and writing vast amounts of information could be stored and shared, our knowledge was no longer limited by the capacity of our brains.

So we come to Alexandria - the greatest city of the ancient world and of course the Great Library, housing over a million scrolls. The collected knowledge of civilisation. Some of the greatest achievements in human understanding occurred here some 2300 years ago.

The realisation that the world was a sphere - calculated to be 40000km in circumference, only wrong by a couple of %. The realisation that everything is made from tiny particles - atoms. The realisation that it was the Earth that went around the Sun. The realisation that all life is connected. The engineering of steam power and the first books on robotics among many other things.

Back then there were battles between idealists and materialists too. Aristotle, Plato and co arguing that all scientific analysis and understanding of the world should be carried out only in your head, that after all was the source of all that was real. Ptolemaic times were warping and folding under this pressure. The slave societies after all were weak to the social forces within. Gradually the slave societies weakened, with this weakening came an explosion of almost paranoia as the ruling class desperately tried to hang onto power destroying all the former glory of free-thought and knowledge before it. The Romans went as far as adopting Christianity - the religion of the slaves to try and tie them together, of course the Romans heavily modified Christianity, taking out most that was anti-Roman. But it held off collapse for a while, as the new Christian Church began to build upon it's new found power it destroyed all that was "anti-Christian". These Christian mobs roamed everywhere especially Alexandria, one example of their brutality can be traced back to the Archbishop Cyril, who set his fanatical mob of parishioners upon Hypatia, one of the most important symbols of learning and science of the day, brutally murdered, she was pulled from her chariot, and had her flesh ripped from her body while still alive she was then burned and her works obliterated and her name almost forgotten, how many of these cases were forgotten forever? Cyril was made a saint.

One of the largest tragedies in human history being the burning the Great Library of Alexandria in their purges against "paganism", the only scrolls spared were those of Aristotle and co. The scientific method was lost in over a thousand years of darkness, humankind barely advanced one inch.

The time of the organised religion, far different from the doctrine of self-liberation of early Christian sects fighting against the Romans, far different from the gods of past who were answers to questions, this was an ideology of telling you what to believe and not of you asking questions and studying the world for yourself. It became a huge brake upon society and set us back such a long time, in some cases it was 2200 years until we re-discovered some what was lost in the fires of Alexandria. But of course most was lost forever.

You are the destroyer of civilisation, the destroyer of imagination, the destroyer of ideas, the destroyer of knowledge, the destroyer of science. Do not claim you are the foundations of these things.

The capitalists of today's society pushed religion back and smashed the religious feudal states over the last several hundred years, science came flooding back and we've advanced faster than ever before. But just like the ancient societies the societies of today too have contradictions, religion is advancing as these frictions in society grow. Are our societies doomed to another thousand years of darkness? Not this time, we have the knowledge of the past, we have the production levels to give science and knowledge not to the few - but to everybody in the world. The billions of people will absorb knowledge like water to a sponge. Not the knowledge of one book, but the knowledge of billions of books, the collective knowledge of all society and all of human history.

All we need to do is act before our societies fall apart around us, we need to remove class, property, wage-labour. You and your kind will find yourself irrelevant and confused in a heaven on Earth.

Creationists and more words

The Daily Creationism guy:

If evolution and the big bang is true then that meant that all of the matter in the universe was squished in to a dot no bigger than the period at the end of this sentence.

That is one crowded dot!

Then boys and girls the dot span faster and faster and faster and faster until bang the dot exploded and formed the whole universe.

Billions of years ago there was a big bang in space. No body knows what caused the big bang it just happened.

Oh jeez. The Big Bang wasn't a Big Bang in space. Space-time didn't exist, the Big Bang was the expansion of space-time. Also the matter wasn't contained with the "dot" it's my understanding that some energy was converted into matter with the expansion.

The size of the "dot" is meaningless, how can you measure it? Spin of the dot? How can you measure that? It certainly didn't spin so much to "blow up" as you claim. There's a lot of difference between a dot and a singularity that is everything.

The Theory of Evolution and Big Bang Theory are two separate things, one deals with the origin of species, one deals with the origin of the universe.

Evolution itself has been proven as near to absolutely as you can get. In a 150 years or so years zero contradictionary evidence has been found, the only thing being found are mountains of evidence that support it every year.

Big Bang Theory has many issues that need to be resolved, and there are many scientists actively working on it, and those issues shall be resolved and the theory adjusted or a new one built to fit with the data.

If you really want to make a mess in the scientific world, picking on evolution is just folly, pick on the theories that have contradictionary evidence, or hell why don't you find some evidence yourself and put forward your own hypothesis.

Creationists and words bad combination

The Daily Creationism:

According to the evolutionary theory, comets are supposed to be the same age as the solar system, which is said to be about 5 billion years old. But each time a comet orbits close to the sun, it loses so mush of its material that it could not survive much longer 100,000 years.

1) Evolution deals with the origin of species, not comets.

2) The amount of time a comet survives depends on two things, a) the mass and composition of the comet b) the orbit of the comet. If we take Hale-Bopp which has an orbit in the region of 4000 years it's probably going to last longer than a comet like 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 which has an orbit of about 5.5 years, in fact it does as 73P is breaking up before our eyes. You can see my images of these two comets on my gallery. To claim a single number for all comets is silly, some comets have an orbit of 37 000 years, there are probably some comets out there that have orbits of over 100 000 years.

a. Comets come from an unobserved spherical "ort cloud" well beyond the orbit of Pluto.

No one has ever seen this so called "ort cloud" and there is simply no way to prove that this exists.

Ohh I can't resist this one... No one has ever seen this so called "god" and there is simply no way to prove that this exists. Oh that felt good.

We have seen dozens of parts of the post-Neptune rubble field (we call it the Kuiper Belt), which was detected in 1992. With several major discoveries in the last few years, the extra moons of Pluto, 2003 UB313, Xena and so on. The extent of material out from the Sun is up for some debates, some comets have extremely long orbits which would imply that it extends for quite a distance.

b. Improbable gravitational interactions with infrequently passing stars often knock comments into the solar system.

Nobody claims that in the manner you imply. Material in the Kuiper Belt and beyond will be slowed down by the passing of Neptune and other bodies, yes even other stars, they'll lose energy and plunge inwards, impacts are another reason, even objects outside the solar system could be captured by the Sun. All the left-overs of the birth of our system won't just vanish.

If evolution is true then how come we still have comets?

Because evolution deals with the origin of species not comets. The fact of the matter is we don't have many comets anymore, it would of been much better to be an astronomer a couple of billion years ago.

Creationists and cosmology bad combination

The Daily Creationism:

Galaxies wind themselves up to fast
Stars rotate about the galactic center with different speeds. The inner stars rotate faster then the outer ones. The rotation speeds are so fast the if our galaxy were more than a few hundred million years old then it would not be in its present spiral shape.
But our galaxy is supposed to be at least ten billion years old.
Evolutionists call this the winding up dilemma

How many falsehoods can they have in a couple of paragraphs?

1) Stars in a galaxy actually move the same speed, the ones near the center and the ones near the edge have the same velocity.

2) "Evolutionists" (whatever that means) don't call this winding up a dilemma because the galaxies don't actually wind up because the arms which you're basing this on are constantly fading in and out with star development.

Spiral arms are more visible than the rest of the galaxy because they contain rich star-forming regions. The actual distribution of matter in a galaxy is much more uniform than the arms would imply - we see the arms because they contain young super-massive stars.

These stars have a life span of 10 million or so years. Spiral arms fade out as these massive stars die and as new star-forming regions emerge which in turn because of the angular momentum (not different velocities of stars) wrap around a galaxy - but they never wind up.

Why creationism is wrong and evolution is right

An excellent hour long lecture on evidence supporting evolution carried out by Professor Steve Jones.

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